*No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 Edit Discussions #2

murasaki1393 wrote:

JBF wrote:

Ooof! I would LIKE to say, for the sake of her fans, that indicates Nikki is F1. Yeah... Sean may have used "like" with Catherine EARLY in the season... I can't remember exactly. However, the leads generally keep their traps shut during Fantasy Date time. In theory, they should be at least "falling in love" by then even though we all know The Relationship only officially begins at FRC.

here we go again,....from my perspective, Venezuelan Like is night-and-day different than American Like...just as Venezuelan Its OK couldn't be more different than American Its OK. Perhaps they should had JPab explain it to the viewers and the ladies in a half episode alone, BEFORE the season began.  

LibbyBell wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

JBF wrote:

Ooof! I would LIKE to say, for the sake of her fans, that indicates Nikki is F1. Yeah... Sean may have used "like" with Catherine EARLY in the season... I can't remember exactly. However, the leads generally keep their traps shut during Fantasy Date time. In theory, they should be at least "falling in love" by then even though we all know The Relationship only officially begins at FRC.

here we go again,....from my perspective, Venezuelan Like is night-and-day different than American Like...just as Venezuelan Its OK couldn't be more different than American Its OK. Perhaps they should had JPab explain it to the viewers and the ladies in a half episode alone, BEFORE the season began.  

IMO, Juan Pablo is saying "like" because he CAN'T say "love" yet; not because he doesn't have those feelings. I also think he purposefully used like instead of love to CH because he didn't want to tip his hand to TPTB and let them in on his feelings.

murasaki1393 wrote:

LibbyBell wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

JBF wrote:

Ooof! I would LIKE to say, for the sake of her fans, that indicates Nikki is F1. Yeah... Sean may have used "like" with Catherine EARLY in the season... I can't remember exactly. However, the leads generally keep their traps shut during Fantasy Date time. In theory, they should be at least "falling in love" by then even though we all know The Relationship only officially begins at FRC.

here we go again,....from my perspective, Venezuelan Like is night-and-day different than American Like...just as Venezuelan Its OK couldn't be more different than American Its OK. Perhaps they should had JPab explain it to the viewers and the ladies in a half episode alone, BEFORE the season began.  

IMO, Juan Pablo is saying "like" because he CAN'T say "love" yet; not because he doesn't have those feelings. I also think he purposefully used like instead of love to CH because he didn't want to tip his hand to TPTB and let them in on his feelings.

could be....it makes good sense to me, LB . However, i still think there is cultural impact on his choice of words, JMO.

nd4reality wrote:I still think that the editors show us certain things and hide others  for a reason. It is the story they are trying to tell us.

And that is where I find it hard to think that they are showing it with Clare. Yes they have shown the can't keep our hands of each other scenario clearly and often. Clare IMO is a very touchy-feely person. She has the whole pouting fish-lips and come hither eye movements down pat. Plenty of practice me thinks. Those flirty actions don't just come because she met the "love of her life" on a TV show. Nope that is part of her persona. There are other signs that I know many will not like or agree but those will keep.
I see JP reacting to her cues. Constantly. He is behaving as his environment dictates which is flirty and physical.
I have yet to see the relationship storyline emerging from each episode with the perhaps slight exception of the FD where the BL seemed off to me. Her 1st 1on1 date was centered around her daddy issues, her second 1on1 time in ep3 was centered  around her not having time with him (wait your turn lady) triggered by  her jealous tantrum re Sharlene which she actually lied to him. Ep4 had her focusing on getting JP to kiss her and then being upset with Nikki, ep5 was midnight swim and the fallout, ep6 was the whole apology/NON-apology issues, ep7 he sent her back to the hotel after flirting with her. Her HTD had big sister issues and their resolution. Oh and a lot of daddy talk. For goodness sake she is a 32 year old adult not a 13 year old girl that has just lost her father. Of course he had to empathize with her.

I see just conflict resolution and entitlement issues alternating throughout every episode.
Is that her storyline together with the physical chemistry ? Seems so.

nd4reality wrote:I still think that the editors show us certain things and hide others  for a reason. It is the story they are trying to tell us.

And that is where I find it hard to think that they are showing it with Clare. Yes they have shown the can't keep our hands of each other scenario clearly and often. Clare IMO is a very touchy-feely person. She has the whole pouting fish-lips and come hither eye movements down pat. Plenty of practice me thinks. Those flirty actions don't just come because she met the "love of her life" on a TV show. Nope that is part of her persona. There are other signs that I know many will not like or agree but those will keep.
I see JP reacting to her cues. Constantly. He is behaving as his environment dictates which is flirty and physical.
I have yet to see the relationship storyline emerging from each episode with the perhaps slight exception of the FD where the BL seemed off to me. Her 1st 1on1 date was centered around her daddy issues, her second 1on1 time in ep3 was centered  around her not having time with him (wait your turn lady) triggered by  her jealous tantrum re Sharlene which she actually lied to him. Ep4 had her focusing on getting JP to kiss her and then being upset with Nikki, ep5 was midnight swim and the fallout, ep6 was the whole apology/NON-apology issues, ep7 he sent her back to the hotel after flirting with her. Her HTD had big sister issues and their resolution. Oh and a lot of daddy talk. For goodness sake she is a 32 year old adult not a 13 year old girl that has just lost her father. Of course he had to empathize with her.

I see just conflict resolution and entitlement issues alternating throughout every episode.
Is that her storyline together with the physical chemistry ? Seems so.

iamreal2u wrote:Jp comes from a family that is very interested in history and architecture.  Nikki's dates all attested to this.  Her dates were not the normal tourist jaunts.   Starting in Vietnam JuanPa came to realize that he can have a conversation with her(he got more comfortable with her.)  They toured the Vietnamese landmark Marble Mountain and then Hell Cave which also had quite a few historical artifacts.  Maybe he saw her being a better fit in his family.  The subsequent dates were the marvel of the OGO, Hobbitton, World War I memorial and finally for the FD he wanted to prove that he could be a cowboy( Andrew Kimmel,one of the producers, called him the Venezuela Cowboy).  I think what startled him was her friendship with Andi.  He was surprise by Andi's attitude so he started to question himself and what he was seeing in Nikki.  I am so looking forward to MTP and LCD to see if they can get over the hump.

mprssdbyu wrote:I will say Nikki's no filter got her in trouble with JuanPa at least a little before all was said and done. Post show, I'm sure he was unhappy with her, Clare's crazy which includes her family, too. If she's going to sport Juan Pablo on her arm, he'll have no more of that...

nd4reality wrote:I still think that the editors show us certain things and hide others  for a reason. It is the story they are trying to tell us.

And that is where I find it hard to think that they are showing it with Clare. Yes they have shown the can't keep our hands of each other scenario clearly and often. Clare IMO is a very touchy-feely person. She has the whole pouting fish-lips and come hither eye movements down pat. Plenty of practice me thinks. Those flirty actions don't just come because she met the "love of her life" on a TV show. Nope that is part of her persona. There are other signs that I know many will not like or agree but those will keep.
I see JP reacting to her cues. Constantly. He is behaving as his environment dictates which is flirty and physical.
I have yet to see the relationship storyline emerging from each episode with the perhaps slight exception of the FD where the BL seemed off to me. Her 1st 1on1 date was centered around her daddy issues, her second 1on1 time in ep3 was centered  around her not having time with him (wait your turn lady) triggered by  her jealous tantrum re Sharlene which she actually lied to him. Ep4 had her focusing on getting JP to kiss her and then being upset with Nikki, ep5 was midnight swim and the fallout, ep6 was the whole apology/NON-apology issues, ep7 he sent her back to the hotel after flirting with her. Her HTD had big sister issues and their resolution. Oh and a lot of daddy talk. For goodness sake she is a 32 year old adult not a 13 year old girl that has just lost her father. Of course he had to empathize with her.

I see just conflict resolution and entitlement issues alternating throughout every episode.
Is that her storyline together with the physical chemistry ? Seems so.

mprssdbyu wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

mprssdbyu wrote:I will say Nikki's no filter got her in trouble with JuanPa at least a little before all was said and done. Post show, I'm sure he was unhappy with her, Clare's crazy which includes her family, too. If she's going to sport Juan Pablo on her arm, he'll have no more of that...

Is it fair to dub names on either of the women, especially when you include the family into the equation like calling her family crazy??

Auntie...I was quoting Nikki. I don't think Clare is crazy at all but then again I'm not in love with JP.

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