*No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 After The Final Rose (ATFR) Discussion

^^^ Great Post Libby.

nd4reality wrote:^^^ Great Post Libby.

Loving your recap, LB!!    

btw, anybody can give me heads up,....are JuKi (what a name!!..LOL) going to do media circuit as per usual??...Anyone knows whether they will do the People Mag.Shot?

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Is it because we have the same profile pic that we share the sane wavelength? Haha  

Thank you, Libby for "expressing" my thoughts very well!   

^^^ great post Libby.

Thanks everyone!

Yes Cari-- we share a common bond!  

Great post!
I'm still sitting here in awe of what TPTB and CH did last night I haven't come up with an exact post on my opinions just yet. For now what I will say is that what the hell is wrong with just asking the couple are you HAPPY? That to me would of be sufficient enough? Hey Nikki and Juan Pablo how is this relationship going? Are you happy? What are the plans from here? WHY did it have to be focused on "but do you love her" Every time they said it I cringed. If anything this made me gain more respect for JP and WAY less for CH, TPTB and Sean/Cat. I mean i'm still trying to gather what exactly I witness last night but looked to me like war on JP to me. Nikki and JP are going about this the real way, not saying any feelings that aren't there. This is how this show should end, happy and getting to know one another to see if it can be something more outside of the bubble! I'm not sure if a lot of us even tell someone we love them after 6 weeks of dating so why do they have too? I am just in awe of JP's treatment, I really am...

JesseJames24 wrote:
Great post!
I'm still sitting here in awe of what TPTB and CH did last night I haven't come up with an exact post on my opinions just yet. For now what I will say is that what the hell is wrong with just asking the couple are you HAPPY? That to me would of be sufficient enough? Hey Nikki and Juan Pablo how is this relationship going? Are you happy? What are the plans from here? WHY did it have to be focused on "but do you love her" Every time they said it I cringed. If anything this made me gain more respect for JP and WAY less for CH, TPTB and Sean/Cat. I mean i'm still trying to gather what exactly I witness last night but looked to me like war on JP to me. Nikki and JP are going about this the real way, not saying any feelings that aren't there. This is how this show should end, happy and getting to know one another to see if it can be something more outside of the bubble! I'm not sure if a lot of us even tell someone we love them after 6 weeks of dating so why do they have too? I am just in awe of JP's treatment, I really am...

JJ--   CH's "job" is to talk with the couple and find out what makes their relationship work or not work...so that their story can be told. CH's job is NOT to force "ILY" out of a lead.

LibbyBell wrote:Wow—I enjoyed reading everyone’s thoughts last night but I needed to take a little bit to get my thoughts together and see how to best reflect on the finale; here goes (sorry for the long post!):

What did Juan Pablo say to Clare:

This is the scenario that makes most sense to me— Clare asked the question that she reiterates later on at their LCD “Do you know me enough to propose to me in 2 days?” This is a no win for both of them—especially since Clare was F2; in her ITM Clare says that Juan Pablo says something sexual. Given Juan Pablo’s “honesty”, he is compelled to tell her No, I don’t think I know you well enough but then he needs to add AT THE VERY LEAST: I know I like kissing you or AT WORST: You’ll make a great f@#*buddy. For Clare, I suspect that this has been an issue in some of her past relationships and is why it doesn’t set well with her so what she hears is: what we have is only physical. Was Juan Pablo that crass and blatant, I doubt it, but it doesn’t matter—it is how Clare viewed it. What she needed to do is think about the situation (her knowledge of the show) and LISTEN to her inner voice. She was getting the information that she needed from Juan Pablo but she ignored it. I thought CH should have stuck up for Juan Pablo and reminded Clare he's not allowed to tell you you're the one. I get it: when it is someone else misreading the clues, they are dumb but when it is YOU, he led her on.

 

Juan and his process:

All season, we see that Juan Pablo is very superficial with the girls that he is not interested in. Does that make the girls think that: he is all about himself and didn’t take the time to get to know me? Yes, but in all fairness to him, this was Juan Pablo’s way to differentiate those that he wanted to pursue a relationship with. Sharlene, Clare and Nikki all stated that they had conversations with Juan Pablo that were in-depth and not superficial. With the final 2 ladies, there was a substantial difference in their relationship with Juan Pablo; in one, it was purely physical but she chose to ignore those signs. Even SEAN alluded to: “not having something to say so you just kiss” scenario. With TPTB, Juan Pablo always held his cards close to the vest; even on this public show, Juan Pablo tried maintaining his privacy on how he is really feeling. Was this a cultural difference, a language barrier or just how Juan Pablo played the game? Yes—it isn’t important for us to know which one. What does matter is whether his F1 knows. I think (again, just my opinion) she does. I think that he has been upfront with Nikki and they are going to see where their relationship leads them.

 

 “The edit”:

I think that Juan Pablo’s reason to come on the show was to meet someone who he could build a relationship with and--- that’s what he did. However, Juan Pablo did not play with TPTB the way that past bachelors have and this TICKED them off! At the beginning of the season, TPTB started the edit off to show that there was a cultural difference and possibly a language barrier that was resulting in Juan Pablo being misunderstood by the women and even society (we saw this with the off the show comments re: gays). When TPTB determined that Juan Pablo was never going to show them his cards they decided to switch the edit to him being a jerk who won’t say ILY. I also wonder if TPTB were bound and determined to make a case that would help them in the “diversity lawsuit” (we tried it and boy what a wreck it turned out to be…we’ll stay with our original “type”)

 

Chris Harrison:

I’ve always liked CH but I was a little disappointed in him this season. As the “host” of TB, it is his responsibility to facilitate the lead through the process. He said the Juan Pablo never really “embraced” the process—was this because TRUST was never established? Early on (the gay comments) I think Juan Pablo learned that “they” were not there for him and that he was on his own. I know that it has become an excuse but, English is Juan Pablo’s 2^nd language and he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

 

Juan Pablo and Nikki:

Juan Pablo and Nikki are both very pragmatic and “honest”. Will this relationship work? I don’t know but I think that they will do it on their own terms and out of the spotlight of TB. Who knows, Juan Pablo and Nikki may turn out to be the most level headed couple to come out of the franchise; I wish them the very best!

Great post, ITA!!!!

^^Yep great post LibbyBell..

Thanks 2o and iam!

Enjoyed you post LB