* No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussion- Thread #2

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im bringing over latest posts from previous thread here.

The link  of Finale thread #1:
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Ok.  I watch the video again.  I am starting to think it is their make-out song.  What does he do as soon as it started playing , go in for the kiss.  I am not saying that they don't have great chemistry because they do.  I am just not seeing anything beyond the physical chemistry. Everything just seem so surface. No tension.   So when did she ask him if he knows enough about her to make a decision and she is left crying.

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4health, I understand. I've only have Clare at F1 with 60-40. If Juan chooses Nikki, I just think he has a lot of explaining to do...and TPTB have certainly screwed him over with the things they are putting out there in the last week or so. They're definitely not helping him out with his F1...assuming they're still together.

But this is not something new for them to do. Brad had a lot of explaining to do with Emily for his physical edit with Chantal, even though Em was F1 she said even she'd pick Chantal to win.
They could be so ticked with JPab that they want to make it difficult for him (definitely a case for that in many respects) or maybe they like Nikki and want to "open her eyes". I don't think a love story is necessarily their goal this season.

 THIS...  
with that said, i still believe Clare is the F1. funny, that i found this season is the mix-up of
- Jake Season :  F1 physical edit, St.Lucia, the one-shoulder turqoise ala Vienna..LoL, F1 steering girls drama, F1 as the `common enemy`
- Ben season : F1 physical edit, ocean gate in the midnight, girls drama, F1 as the `common enemy`(except for Casey..)
im not saying directly Clare is this`s season common enemy for all girls, though..she still made few friends on the season, i believe. However, the rowboat date in Vietnam said a lot about her `position` in the middle of the girls.
i suspect the Machiene view JPab as belong to the same category with Jake and Ben,who deserves a floppy season. `let`s punish this guy for being so uncooperative and unwilling to be our puppet ...no love story for you El-Bachelor!, - kind of thing`. JMO[/quote]

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   JesseJames24....

OMG that was the absolute sweetest....very tender moments between them. If he played that song for her in this moment and she is not F1 I am off the JP train. Clare is gobsmacked (JBF is that the word???) in love and I think JP is too. I've been wrong before but I hope not this time.

Yup... you got that word right!

ALL OF US have been wrong in past seasons, so join the club. I was wrong with Jillian's up until Ed's Volcano scene (an image that will never be erased from our minds). Although I knew Reid was coming back, by the time he did, it was blatantly obvious that she wasn't ditching Ed. Also screwed up Ali's season because of how Chris Lambton was shoved in our faces as "perfect husband material". (Hey, he got married quickly. Ali did not.) Of course, you re-watch her scenes with Roberto and it is too-too obvious in hindsight. I also thought much like the Nikki fans during Ben's season by considering HIS "ocean romp" with Courtney as No Big Deal. Ben's F3 Nikki and Lindzi were both more "final one-ish" to me at the time, but his season is one-of-a-kind. (Courtney, in reality, is actually a sweetheart and not quite the villain she was edited to be.)

[Guest]

alright, alright, alright (Matthew M.C`s style   ).... to spice things up, im afraid we have to include the important-but-forgotten caps we get mid season,--the lone JPab on the beach-- into the walk away scenario, guys...  

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(speculated : this is after JPab letting go his F2)
my take : ITA. after escorting his F2 lady to the boat, while shed a couple of tears (i think) he is strolling around to regain his composure..or..on his way back to FRC`s podium for his F1 ceremony.  

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(speculated : Clare as the F2 dumpee escorted by CH to the beach)
my take : i disagree. Im leaning more to the above scenario, that JPab himself will escort his F2 (which i believe Nikki) to the beach/boat

so..i`ll let you awesome speculators weighing in, whether you are the Sacto beliebers, Kansas lovers or simply Miami supporters..  

ps : crediting the wonderful Litta for these nice caps   

[BACHRISTINE]

If there were no basis for comparison, one could be persuaded after watching JP&Clare's video that she is F1 and that is what TPTB are trying to sell at this point. Interpretation of their interaction is highly subjective. IMO, JP is playing along/acting with Clare who is over the top in portraying the woman-in-love role (is she actually an actress?). There's just no spark in his eyes.  Contrast to Nikki - he hangs on her every word, reacts to each nuance, and he's probably memorized every inch of her face after staring at it all the time. When he said Nikki makes him happy, I believed him because it shows!

[notarose]

alright, alright, alright (Matthew M.C`s style   ).... to spice things up, im afraid we have to include the important-but-forgotten caps we get mid season,--the lone JPab on the beach-- into the walk away scenario, guys...  

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(speculated : this is after JPab letting go his F2)
my take : ITA. after escorting his F2 lady to the boat, while shed a couple of tears (i think) he is strolling around to regain his composure..or..on his way back to FRC`s podium for his F1 ceremony.  

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(speculated : Clare as the F2 dumpee escorted by CH to the beach)
my take : i disagree. Im leaning more to the above scenario, that JPab himself will escort his F2 (which i believe Nikki) to the beach/boat

so..i`ll let you awesome speculators weighing in, whether you are the Sacto beliebers, Kansas lovers or simply Miami supporters..  

ps : crediting the wonderful Litta for these nice caps   

The beach behind the rocks seems to be really narrow. I think he may have gone there for privacy.

[4health]

If there were no basis for comparison, one could be persuaded after watching JP&Clare's video that she is F1 and that is what TPTB are trying to sell at this point. Interpretation of their interaction is highly subjective. IMO, JP is playing along/acting with Clare who is over the top in portraying the woman-in-love role (is she actually an actress?). There's just no spark in his eyes.  Contrast to Nikki - he hangs on her every word, reacts to each nuance, and he's probably memorized every inch of her face after staring at it all the time. When he said Nikki makes him happy, I believed him because it shows!

I don't see JP and Nikki like you at all. Having a different opinion makes the world go round.

[Mirzam]

Bringing this over from the spoiler SC thread as it relates to Mura's post above and might help place the JP on the beach SC, although it is not included.

The picture below is Clare being escorted by CH to the FRC. Ignore Clare for a moment and look at the surroundings and particularly the features in the boxes.

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Now compare the features in the same colored boxes in this image.  
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Clearly JP is walking back to the FRC location.

So it seems as if F2 leaves, JP walks part way with her, they then separate, after which he makes his way back to the podium and F2 heads for the beach and an awaiting boat.

I think the scs below are JP turning away after he and F2 go their separate ways.

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So with that said, could the photo of JP not be when he has let go of his F2, but him arriving off the boat walking to the FRC location? He is pensive rather than upset. Just putting it out there......

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[quietpal]

If there were no basis for comparison, one could be persuaded after watching JP&Clare's video that she is F1 and that is what TPTB are trying to sell at this point. Interpretation of their interaction is highly subjective. IMO, JP is playing along/acting with Clare who is over the top in portraying the woman-in-love role (is she actually an actress?). There's just no spark in his eyes.  Contrast to Nikki - he hangs on her every word, reacts to each nuance, and he's probably memorized every inch of her face after staring at it all the time. When he said Nikki makes him happy, I believed him because it shows!

  I agree!

[Guest]

alright, alright, alright (Matthew M.C`s style   ).... to spice things up, im afraid we have to include the important-but-forgotten caps we get mid season,--the lone JPab on the beach-- into the walk away scenario, guys...  

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The beach behind the rocks seems to be really narrow.  I think he may have gone there for privacy.  

i think i agree with you, notarose...

Mirzam, dont you think he walks on the same pathway as Nikki and Clare did going into the FRC site? (with the same angle shots)? (im too lazy to bring over the SCs here.   .where both girls has similar shots approaching the mill`s gate, after getting off the boat--JPab has to ride a boat, right?)

[Mirzam]

alright, alright, alright (Matthew M.C`s style   ).... to spice things up, im afraid we have to include the important-but-forgotten caps we get mid season,--the lone JPab on the beach-- into the walk away scenario, guys...  

*snipped* 

The beach behind the rocks seems to be really narrow.  I think he may have gone there for privacy.  

i think i agree with you, notarose...

Mirzam, dont you think he will walk the same pathway as Nikki and Clare did going into the FRC site? (with the same angle shots)? (im too lazy to bring over the SCs here.   .where both girls has similar shots approaching the mill`s gate)

We do see him walking on the same path as Clare and Nikki, Mr Write speculated that it was after he had said goodbye to his F2, handing  her over to CH to take her to the awaiting boat. We see him turning around (clearly emotional) and was heading back to the FRC spot. The photograph of Clare leaving with CH can be explained with Mr Write's hypothesis which led me to speculate that the beach SC was JP's arrival. It is all speculation at this point. Monday can't come fast enough for me. At least we technically have one less hour to wait with the clocks going forward.  :cutesmile!: (scrap that it is one more hour   )

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